I would like to know why most pocket radios come with a shorter whip antenna of about 20 cm, which is not a resonant one for FM or SW bands. So, how come they work like that?
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$\begingroup$ My old AM/FM Radio Shack pocket radio from the 1970's did not have a whip antenna at all. $\endgroup$– Jon CusterCommented Nov 1 at 18:22
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$\begingroup$ I see you are posting a lot of MW/SW radio receiver/antenna questions, but I see a broad mix of questions, and this site's format may not work out well for you. Feel free to send me your project details and challenges directly to me. $\endgroup$– Ryuji AB1WXCommented Nov 2 at 20:12
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$\begingroup$ @RyujiAB1WX That's a nice generous offer to the OP! However, such offline help does not contribute to the purpose of this site: "To build a library of detailed answers to every question about amateur radio and the theory of radio communications." :-) $\endgroup$– Mike WatersCommented Nov 5 at 14:07
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1$\begingroup$ @MikeWaters I could divide and embed my answer in a focused way to his numerous broad/generic questions... but don't worry, none of that happened. $\endgroup$– Ryuji AB1WXCommented Nov 5 at 14:09
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2$\begingroup$ Hey, you said you wanted to start looking through your questions and accepting answers, a week ago! You still haven't done so, so now we're at 15 questions you asked, 24 answers and 0 accepted answers. Please fix that. Ryuji and Mike both put in work in their answers, and they are both enlightening, and they answer your question. You should accept one! (and do the same for your other question where applicable) $\endgroup$– Marcus MüllerCommented Nov 5 at 17:52
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Your question is ambiguous, so let me make some assumptions what you really mean:
- By "pocket radio" I assume you mean "small receiver"
- I assume you have not taken apart the radio to see how the antenna is connected, so your assumption the whip is the only antenna or that it is non-resonant is probably wrong
- by AM I assume you mean the MF AM broadcast band (AM otherwise has nothing to do with frequency)
- by FM I assume you mean the VHF FM broadcast band
With that under consideration:
- The whip antenna is probably not used for AM; there is typically a resonant loop stick antenna inside the radio for AM. This is well described in the other answers.
- Antennas do not have to be of a "resonant length" to be resonant if they are connected to additional components like loading coils or tuning circuits.
- For a receiver, it helps sensitivity if the antenna is resonant, but it is not a requirement to receive, especially for receiving high power broadcast stations. Also, a preamplifier in the radio can easily overcome the lack of sensitivity of a non-resonant antenna.
- A frequent design for an FM broadcast receiver is to use a headphones wire as an additional antenna. The typical length of a headphones wire is easily resonant at FM broadcast frequencies.
In short:
- Your assumption that there is one antenna is probably wrong.
- Your assumption that the antennas of the receiver are not resonant because the one you can see is short is probably wrong.
- Your assumption that a receive antenna must be resonant is wrong.
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$\begingroup$ The word "resonant" in the context of rod antenna is not really appropriate or necessary. A rod antenna or earphone cord antenna is sometimes used in MW AM receivers, especially those super small radios with no space for a loopstick, and also in most car radios. A short 20cm rod antenna can produce comparable electromotive force to a loopstick antenna for MW band. Such a rod antenna is usually directly attached to a resonator circuit but that does not make the rod antenna "resonant" by whatever definition of that word. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 3 at 3:22
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$\begingroup$ Like I said, it doesn't have to be resonant to work. There's many ways to feed a radio and a resonant loopstick is just one, and not necessarily always there. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 3 at 4:34
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$\begingroup$ So, if the ferrite rod is the main antenna that helps receive SW reception, then why the whip antenna is used at all? And on what formula or calculations the length is made 20 - 30 cm long? $\endgroup$– user29605Commented Nov 5 at 13:00
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$\begingroup$ As the other commenter said, the whip might be used for AM. And it will be used by FM, possibly in combination with the headphones wire. As to length, since resonance is less important for receive, the length may be selected for convenience rather than resonance. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 5 at 13:06
Because it's good enough for people to buy and easier to sell than a radio that comes with an antenna that needs a whole backyard and a front yard.
For MW and SW receiver, the antenna size is usually not the factor that limits the receiver performance. So, it really doesn't matter that much.
EDIT/ADD I see a misconception in other answers and comments. A short rod/whip antenna is quite effective at MW frequencies in generating antenna EMF, compared to decent-sized loopsticks. In most cases, a rod/whip generates a higher EMF than a loopstick. (Just do some calculations with reasonable antenna dimensions!) It is just that a lot of consumer radios do not bother to wire the rod antenna to the MW/AM receiver frontend because that may require a band switch to minimize the interference with the FM frontend. AM only radios may not bother to add a rod antenna because the loopstick alone is totally adequate for the job. But there were plenty of AM-only radio receivers that had both a loopstick and a whip/rod.
I calculated the signal power delivered to the receiver frontend transistor using a small loopstick antenna with or without a 20cm whip. At the optimal condition (the impedance of the first stage matched for maximum power transfer), each antenna alone can deliver about the same signal power or voltage to the transistor. That is, whichever type of antenna is used singly or in combination, the AGC circuit easily absorbs the performance difference in the IF amp; the user is unlikely to notice the difference. This may be one reason for the widespread (at least it seems on this site) misconception that a short rod antenna is ineffective in MW.
However, by far, the largest sensitivity is obtained when a whip is used with a large input impedance amplifier (with or without a tuned circuit attached to it). It is simply incorrect to say a tuned circuit is necessary to use a short whip on MW.
Loopstick antenna is a part of the formulaic AM radio frontend circuit for consumer radio receiver set, but that is by no means the best way to achieve performance receiver. That is, if anyone is to design a high-performance MW receiver radio set, one would not use a loopstick at all. Short whips/rods have weaknesses, but they have nothing to do with their ability to be an effective receive antenna.
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1$\begingroup$ I think you didn't get my question properly. I want to know how a pocket radio is able to receive clear reception without having a resonant antenna? Even for the FM? $\endgroup$– user29605Commented Nov 2 at 15:02
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$\begingroup$ Again, for receivers, antenna length is unimportant. The signal-to-noise ratio, not the absolute signal power, matters for the receiver performance. Receiver antenna efficiency may increase the signal power but also increases the noise power at the same rate, given the same radiation pattern (directivity) of the antenna. So the antenna performance doesn't really matter, within reason. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 2 at 19:53
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$\begingroup$ You did not say this, but if you are looking for an idea on how you might be able to improve reception of a distant AM or SW station, and if you happen to live in a rural area with lots of land, look into Beverage antenna. You deploy it to the direction of the station you want to listen, and you are likely to improve the signal-to-noise ratio because it has a directional beam pattern. You'll need a lot of land. You might also have to add a pre-amp to be effective. @user2166694 $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 2 at 22:21
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$\begingroup$ But still I haven't got my answer, how a non resonant antenna of a small radio receiver with a smaller antenna is able to receive all the FM bands? I guess to receive all the FM bands, at least a 75 cm whip antenna is needed. But most pocket sized radios have 20-30 cm long antenna. $\endgroup$– user29605Commented Nov 8 at 12:35
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$\begingroup$ @user2166694 I repeatedly said that the antenna length does not matter for the receiver antenna. Your question asked why pocket radios have short antennas, you did not ask how they work or how to analyze their performance, etc. I did answer your why question. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 8 at 13:56
Standard circuit for battery-operated AM radio used ferrite-rod antennas. C1 tunes the ferrite rod to resonance. C2, C3 are larger bypass capacitors...
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
L1, L2 are wound on a ferrite rod. L1, C1 are resonant at the frequency of the transmitting broadcaster. L2 is a link winding on the ferrite rod. Turns ratio between L1, L2 matches transistor base with resonant impedance of the ferrite rod.
The whip antenna on top adds a small capacitive reactance to the ferrite rod. It also adds some signal to the resonant rod. The major part of received signal is from the rod, not the whip.
Ferrite rod antennas are directional, giving a null when the rod axis points to signal source...directionality in a portable radio is unwanted. The whip's added signal tends to reduce directionality of the rod...enough so that radio AGC can act to maintain a relatively constant audio output.
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$\begingroup$ I think you didn't get my question properly. I want to know how a pocket radio is able to receive clear reception without having a resonant antenna? $\endgroup$– user29605Commented Nov 2 at 15:02
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1$\begingroup$ The ferrite rod IS the resonant antenna, resonated by its parallel variable capacitor. And it is the main signal source...only slightly enhanced by an added whip. The ferrite rod is small enough to lie hidden inside a transistor radio case. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 2 at 15:27
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$\begingroup$ "The major part of received signal is from the rod, not the whip." That is unlikely in many common conditions. If you used a small loopstick antenna and a 20cm whip or wire antenna, the electromotive force induced on each antenna is about the same or whip can even be higher. That depends on the core dimension and the winding of course. The key point is that the emf is the antenna's effective length times the field strength. So, compare the effective lengths of two types of the antenna. Surprisingly or not, even at MW frequencies and 20cm length, whip can get pretty sizable emf. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 3 at 3:26
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$\begingroup$ So, even if a tiny or even shielded LC tuned circuit is used instead of an open ferrite bar antenna, the receiver can get plenty of RF signal (for broadcast receivers) across the tank circuit with a short whip attached. That's how things are done in car radios and tiny radios where the tuning is done electronically rather than manually on a polyvaricon. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 3 at 3:31
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$\begingroup$ But a pocket radio can also receive FM stations, which doesn't require any ferrite rod. So, how a non-resonant antenna is able to receive FM stations? $\endgroup$– user29605Commented Nov 15 at 15:31