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I see the term "SNR_2500" is often use to make it clear. Is it useful to use this SNR definition in some contexts? Is this kind of convention used in other digital modes or communication systems?

Edit to add: I should have made it clear that my expectation is that the noise power used for SNR would be that in the range of frequencies occupied by the FT8 signal (or perhaps the range of frequencies seen by the FT8 detector).

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  • $\begingroup$ Yes, right, a ft8 transmission's bandwidth is actually 50 Hz. $\endgroup$
    – sina bala
    Commented Feb 23 at 2:54

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Matter of opinion, but it's kind of a "level playing field" thing. Say you want to compare the SNR required to have a successful QSO across SSB, conversational-speed CW, QRS(S) CW, and various different digital modes. Each of those will have a different occupied bandwidth.

If you compute SNR for each mode using its own occupied bandwidth, that's an "honest SNR", and the narrower modes will naturally have higher SNR since you're including a narrower noise bandwidth.

On the other hand, if you use the same noise bandwidth for each mode, then the SNR at the receiver, under the same conditions, with the same transmitter power, can be expected to be pretty much the same. Naturally you want to pick the widest bandwidth of any of the modes you care about, which is going to be 2500Hz for typical SSB. Now instead of saying "mode X is copyable down to 3dBSNR, mode Y is copyable down to 0dBSNR, but mode Y is half as wide so they're effectively the same", you can just make a statement like "SSB is good above +10dB, RTTY down to -5dB, PSK31 and CW down to -10dB, FT8 and QRSS down to -25dB" all using dB(SNR-in-2500Hz), and it becomes easy to rank them. If you come up with a new mode, you can measure it on that same scale and see where it stacks up, without too many caveats.

Here is an article that explains pretty much the same thing, taking it a step further and arguing in favor of Eb/N0. But SNR-in-2500 is something that's pretty accessible to hams (in many cases you can read it almost directly off of the S-meter by setting your passband to 2500Hz), while Eb/N0 requires intimate knowledge of the protocol to calculate Eb from a received power level, and at least a bit of math to calculate N0 from the noise power in any realistic passband.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for the explanation. Frankly, I think we would be better off using SNR as it is normally defined, to be consistent with textbooks, the ft8 spectral display, etc. But of course science and technology is full of quirks like this, and over the years I have come to embrace it. $\endgroup$
    – gschro
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It's arbitrary. As mentioned by hobbs, I would guess they used 2500 for direct comparison to other modes.

But it's easy to change if we assume the noise is purely random. To find the SNR for a different bandwidth, just add 3 db for each halving. This is because half the bandwidth will contain half the noise power so the S/N ratio will be twice as large. So an SNR of -20 based on 2500 Hz bandwidth would be -17 based on 1250, -14 based on 625 etc etc.

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