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Questions about noise in the sense of that inevitable component of any real signal. For questions about avoiding or eliminating interference from manmade sources, use [rfi] instead.

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Is a vertical noisier than a dipole, and if so, why?

I've had people tell me, anecdotally, that a vertical is noisier than a dipole. Is this true, and if so, why? If it is true: Is this additional noise, such that SNR is degraded, or is the vertical ...
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How can I calculate the effects of an LNA, antenna gain, etc. on noise performance?

There are many things I might do enable my station to hear weaker signals that would otherwise be buried in noise. Just a few possibilities: Install a nice LNA Increase antenna gain Reduce feedline ...
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Is FM modulation still more resistant to noise when given the same bandwidth as an AM signal?

FM modulated radio is much more resistant to noise and can deliver better sound quality than AM radio. But FM signals also use more bandwidth than AM signals. In general a wider bandwidth signal is ...
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High 40m noise floor during the evening but quiet in the afternoon

I've been dealing with S7 static on 40 meters ever since I got started a few weeks ago. It's so bad that I have to use my RF ATT so that the static is not deafening. I did some research about ...
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Rolling QRM from 3000-10000 kHz - What Is It?

Video I was lucky to catch the QRM start this morning @ approximately 10 AM Pacific Standard time. It was wide, starting around 3000 kHz up to 10000 kHz. It starts fast then slows to a crawl. The ...
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What are these continuous sine wave tones I keep hearing?

I'm messing around on WebSDR and by just scanning through I sometimes come across these continuous tones in USB. One in particular was 28.800 MHz USB. I've picked them up on nearly every WebSDR unit ...
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Is 20m noisy, or do I have a lot of local interference?

I'm making my first ventures into HF with a Yaesu FT-450D and a homebrew 20 Meter inverted-V antenna a local ham helped me set up. I've noticed that the 20 Meterm band seems to have lots of ...
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If receive performance doesn't depend on SWR, then how can I tune my manual HF antenna tuner by band noise?

The popular question "What is the relationship between SWR and receive performance?" asks if a receiver with a well-matched antenna (low SWR) beats a receiver with a poorly-matched antenna, ...
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Noise & shielding, SDR Dongle

First, I'm very new to SDR. This may turn out to be really obvious. I just want to verify my thoughts before I spend more dollars. I have a USB dongle with the RT28xx in it. Works great. Side by ...
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HF Noise Level S5 to S9+18

Since I got my HF radio a year and change ago, I've been able to hear very little except noise and the WWV time station on 10MHz. Noise seems to vary by band, but not how I'd expect: 80m: S7-S9 40m: ...
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Signal path to maximize RFI rejection in an urban environment

Urban ham here (Cambridge, MA - FN42ki - KC1JZE) looking for tips to make this hobby possible in the city. I rarely can hear both sides of HF phone transmissions, and have yet to make contacts despite ...
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Does a loop antenna have less susceptibility to atmospheric noise than an open ended antenna?

I always get the feeling that an antenna which has a loop for the driven element such as a folded dipole or quad will pick up less static or 'high impedance' noise than an antenna that has free ends ...
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Why does my received power rise so much when I connect an antenna?

I am in early stages of making a narrow-band radio receiver (block diagram below). To give you an idea, I am using a simple CP-FSK based modulation scheme, and have achieved 5dB SNR with a Tx signal ...
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What does a receiver's noise reduction function do?

Some receivers contain a noise reduction button or function. What does this noise reduction do? Is there more than one type of noise reduction? How does the circuit or software know what part of ...
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How do I have a full signal of noise on a handheld?

I'm new to ham (although I've had a license for a long time) and I'm having issues with receiving on a basic handheld. I have a cheap BaoFeng UV-82HP and I keep getting full signal noise at random ...
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Does a low amount of atmospheric noise reliably indicate a lack of propagation?

We know that the primary source of interference at HF is atmospheric noise. Thus, all else being equal, the strength of heard noise is a fair indicator of RX system performance (such as in adjusting ...
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How does lowering the RF Gain help with SNR?

Let's say for sake of example we are in the 40m band. I've read articles and posts about riding the RF gain (or even just simply lowering it). And I can see how it is useful in overload situations. ...
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QRN: How to chase down a solid S9 noise floor on 40m only

I am new to this, having just set up my station. I have "very bad" QRN on 40m: S9. Here is the setup: High density suburb with flats and houses Yaesu FT450D with fan dipole at 6m-9m above ...
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Are there any modes that use pseudo-random noise codes to "amplify" signals?

GPS for example uses them to allow receivers to decode extremely weak signals far below the noise floor. From https://blank005.tripod.com/gps/psedo_random.html : If we tuned our receivers to the GPS ...
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Can I improve reception with a more sensitive antenna / preamplifier / better feedline?

I am trying to receive a station, but I can only barely hear it through the noise. Will doing anything that increases the signal from my antenna help, such as: using a more sensitive antenna adding a ...
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How to track down and neutralize this apparent mixer creating noisy emissions around my signal?

When I transmit, it there seems to be something mixing and reflecting my signal. For example, when I transmit on 14.300 MHz, I see signals above my transmitted signal at at 14.500, 14.700, 14.900, etc....
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Working satellite on 2 meters, at what arc distance to sun (center) will noise floor be problematic to a disruption of a communication path?

Is there some simple utility, or published set of charts, or suite of formulae, where one can approach the situation by inputting a space weather summary, (sunspots, various indexes, etc), the receive ...
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What causes the light and dark bands (of background noise) in an HF waterfall display?

While monitoring the 40-meter band (among others) throughout a typical day/night as propagation changes I have noticed there are often bands of very low noise (black area) and others with much higher ...
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Easy Digi hum with isolated ground

I am creating an Echolink simplex link using a Raspberry Pi 3 B+, a Pluggable USB sound adapter, and an "Easy Digi" sound card interface which has 2 - 600ohm isolation transformers for audio in/out as ...
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Color of radio noise?

Is typical background RF plus radio receiver electronics noise (wide-band audio) closer to white noise or pink (1/f) noise? Does it depend on the demodulation scheme (AM/FS/SSB/etc.), if any, ...
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Use noise figure and gain to calculate weakest signal radio can receive?

An FM radio receiver, using a 1 kHz tone at 3 kHz deviation has a 12 dB SINAD (Signal To Noise and Distortion) of -116 dBm. I would like to increase the 12 dB SINAD sensitivity of the receiver to at ...
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Rain and RF noise

I noticed when operating Field Day this year that during a period of rain, the RF background noise went up as well, from about S2 to S5-6. I was operating inside a tent, with the antenna outside the ...
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Baud rate/frequency/bandwith/characters per second

I'm trying to filter a noisy serial line that comes in to a radio (mostly as a thought excercise in line filtering). The data comes in on a RS-232 line, 9600 baud, 8n1. I've found a lot of ...
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Why are there weird sounds in radio?

When I'm tuning through the radio on HF, suddenly, I hear a tone. So, I tune back, and the more I tune back, the more the tone changes pitch. For example, if I tune back 1 kHz, the sound rises by 1 Hz....
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Why is QRN so bad on the low HF and MF bands?

If one tunes an HF/MF radio at night, the lower the frequency (or the longer the wavelength) of the band, the more QRN (static and atmospheric noise) there is. 80m is noisier than 40m, and 160m is ...
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What is Spectral Subtraction for noise reduction?

I previously asked a general question about noise reduction, but none of the answers mentioned this specific method or algorithm. (the noise reduction button on some radios and DSP software seems to ...
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Accounting for feedlines in noise temperature calculations

In writing an answer to "Use noise figure and gain to calculate weakest signal radio can receive?" I've managed to confuse myself. I believe this much is true: $$ T_\text{eq} =T_1 +{T_2 \over G_1} +{...
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How can I determine if out of band interference is affecting my AIS reception?

AIS I am receiving ship AIS messages. These are low power, digital messages periodically sent on two marine channels close to 162mhz. This frequency is surrounded by FM broadcast, weather radio, and ...
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How does the antenna noise temperature vary with antenna elevation?

I'm using a 14 element cross Yagi antenna in my system. For my link budget calculations, what antenna noise temperature should I consider? How does this vary with elevation?
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Jamming with USB SDR

Could an attacker use a simple USB SDR dongle, as long as it is capable of transmitting within a certain range, to jam frequencies? I saw Lady Ada build the WaveBubble which is basically a dual-band, ...
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Is the noisy spectrum from 20MHz to 330 MHz normal?

I have recently been testing some VHF/UHF antennas for reception in my Lab, and have noted something I could not explain. Following are the spectrum plots captured on our R&S FSV spectrum analyzer,...
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Doublet with ladder line vs coax w.r.t. noise

I live in the city, with 50’x 100’ lots. I use an 80 meter doublet at 30 feet, fed with ladder line to a tuner. My noise floor ranges from S5 to S9 depending on the time. Would a coax feed reduce ...
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Where to find QRM and/or QRN audio files?

I'm looking for some QRN/M audio files to "show" someone what said noise can sound like, particularly interested in static crashes or lightening bursts. Have Googled same with no joy other ...
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Link budget validation for a UHF satellite ground station

I built a UHF satellite ground station. It has a yagi with G=16.1dBi and an LNA with G=20.1dB. It’s a 430 - 450 LNA with NF=0.68. The RF cable, rg174/u has I think close to a 1dB/m, which would mean ...
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High electrical noise only when coax shield is connected

I'm trying to understand a noise issue on my Yaesu FT-891. I have very high 60 hz electric buzz on most bands with 40 and 15M being the worse at about S9+. My antenna is a MyAntennas 66ft EFHW fed ...
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Buzzing FM interference

What kind of interference or other receiver issues can cause a constant buzzing noise (picket fence lines in the audio spectrum) in the demodulated audio of a received NFM VHF signal? With AM, it ...
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Realistic UHF noise floor when receiving signal from moon - 433 / 2400MHz

Let's imagine we're at ground station trying to receive UHF signal transmitted from moon at 433 / 2400 MHz. Our antenna with 25dB gain (circular polarization) points to the moon. Our LNA has 1dB NF. ...
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Noise power with and without antenna

I have designed a receiver at 440 MHz with a 10 MHz signal bandwidth. I have measured the sensitivity of the receiver in a cabled setup (coax cable between transmit and receive) and that is about -93 ...
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Icom 7300 low frequency broad-spectrum noise

What's causing these horizontal bands of noise? It's the middle of the day here in a low density city neighborhood. They were not present about 20 minutes ago; now they are even stronger and filling ...
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Strange Noise Floor observed in UHF Band

I have a tracking station for UHF band satellites which comprises of a cross yagi of 12 dBi and a wideband LNA of 40 dB Power Gain and 1.3 dB Noise Figure. I observe a Noise floor of about 300 kHz ...
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Noise Floor when receiving Es'hail 2

I'm currently trying to receive the Es'hail 2 satellite using a standard TV LNB, 60cm dish and RTL-SDR. My dish is slightly offset by 2 degrees, and my SNR is only about 15dB unfortunately. My main ...
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What can I do about my strong RF noise?

I have a problem with strong and constant received noise, from S7 to S9+20. I've shut off the power, both in my house and two neighbors' houses. I took my portable rig with a Hustler antenna and ...
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Inquiry regarding thermal resistor noise

In the simplest form, how could thermal resistor noise be described? I've looked up online but just found the calculation part.
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High Noise Floor on 40/80m at Night

I've notice a couple of times over the past couple of weeks that the noise floor, particularly on 40 and 80, is exceptionally high as the grayline passes me into night. I'm looking at the general band ...
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Loop Vs Whip for MW DX

MW reception is often plauged by man made interference these days. Most man made interference comes from small close sources like say a laptop power supply .Is a loop antenna better than a whip when ...
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