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I've been a ham for over 40 years, but never has there been such a prolonged period of such poor propagation. This has been especially the case over the past six months or so, and they continue to deteriorate.

What could possibly be the cause?

This is taking into account information from sites such as Spaceweather and the sites linked to from this page on my site. Even when solar conditions seem to be favorable for good band conditions, the bands are terrible.

Sure, there's solar flares, CMEs, and other events that typically make the bands go "dead". But those effects have been taken into account.

NOT caused by increased man-made noise

In many locations, man-made noise is a factor. But I asked this question from the viewpoint of hams living in quiet areas; my location is almost noise-free, and there are times when my s-meter is zero even with the preamp on. This is about the signal levels dropping.

This image below is from K5BIZ's website (which has been offline for several months now). The network of receivers feeding data to it from K5BIZ's beacons is the most reliable indicator of real-time HF band conditions we've found. The majority of the time, the arrows on each band graph there have mostly been in the red areas of the the graphs for most of these bands like below, and they closely indicate what we hear on the bands. It wasn't always like this.

I know we are near the solar minimum, but it certainly seems that something else is at play. Many other hams concur. What could it be?

Typical poor band conditions

Historically, near solar minimums the upper bands deteriorate while conditions improve on 80 and 160. My point -at the time that I originally asked this- was that all those bands remained poor and the signal levels are much lower than in years past.

There is indeed an overall increase in RFI from such devices as switching power supplies. However, in many locations (mine included) we hear little of that. Something else is definitely at play here.

Dirty ice in the arctic and comment
Bandconditions.com has been down. A good alternative is this site. Refresh to see current global ionospheric propagation conditions

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    – Mike Waters ♦
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In an effort to find some hard data, I wrote to Dr Carl Luetzelschwab, K9LA. Carl responds:

"The main reason is because we've basically been under solar minimum conditions for two years - and it looks like it's going to continue. We were spoiled by [shorter - Ed.] solar minimum durations prior to the minimum between Cycle 23 and 24."

The graph Carl attached to his response summarizes the data:

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  • $\begingroup$ Do you know where Carl obtained this graph? I would be interested in seeing an up-to-date version. $\endgroup$
    – Someone
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It's pretty clear that we've reached the ~10.7-year solar cycle minimum in the midst of a low part of the ~87-year Gleissberg Cycle. See this explanation from Wikipedia.

Occam's Razor points toward this relatively simple (though unfortunate for us hams) scientific explanation rather than other explanations.

As usual, some hams are responding to this problem by innovating with new weak-signal methods like FT8.

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  • $\begingroup$ We won't see it, but like clockwork, the earth is headed into another ice age. $\endgroup$
    – Cecil - W5DXP
    Nov 14, 2018 at 13:17
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    $\begingroup$ Expectation is that for the next year or so, propagation will be the worst it's been in the history of amateur radio. This Geissler minimum appears lower than the last one (around 1923). We've had a spotless sun on a number of recent occasions. $\endgroup$
    – Zeiss Ikon
    Feb 4, 2019 at 15:14
  • $\begingroup$ @ZeissIkon That's absolutely correct. I think that it was spaceweather.com that recently shared a chart from a group of astrophysicists that proved we have not yet reached the solar minimum. $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
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There's no real magic, it's just the signal to noise ratio. If you're certain that the noise floor hasn't changed then the signal propagation has, and vice-versa.

Any number of upper atmosphere hypotheses can lead to a lower charge density which means a lower reflection coefficient resulting in a weak bounce and lousy HF propagation. As you've pointed out at sunspot minimum the density of charged particles passing the earth is lower and that means less charge separation and so on.

I don't think either halogenated hydrocarbons or rising CO2 levels or global warming make a viable whipping boy for this one. They don't have enough effect in the right layers AKAIK. If you want to blame one of those anyway then it looks to be a long wait for better conditions.

I don't think we can blame this on North Korea's rocket testing, IIRC the ionosphere hole from the launch vehicle motor's exhaust fill back up in around 15 minutes. Aw, heck, sure we can... just hypothesize something bizarre in their fuel.

So, that leaves volcanism, meteor showers, and Santa Claus to consider... moving right along...

If that's not it then ... the noise floor. A few billion poorly sheilded digital noise sources and the noise pedestal from cell phone LO's and IFs can't be helping. The rising average utility transmission and distribution voltage coupled with diminishing insulator maintainance may be another source of broadband noise. Someone's bound to have some noise data somewhere...

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  • $\begingroup$ Historically, near solar minimums the upper bands deteriorate while conditions improve on 80 and 160. My point is that all those bands remain poor and the signal levels are much lower. As you said, there is indeed an overall increase in RFI from such devices as switching power supplies. However, in many locations (mine included) we hear little of that. Something else is definitely at play here. $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
    Aug 15, 2017 at 23:04
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    – Cecil - W5DXP
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After listening to the increased noise level on 20M, and its direction, I observe that the noise has a man-made character, varies greatly over short periods, and always peaks with the peak direction of propagation, mostly NE to Europe.

That's what got me googling and to this page with the same suspicion as Noah's - that man-made RFI is artificially raising the propagated noise level.

This is something fundamentally different than what we used to consider a local problem, and seems like a plausible explanation for the really awful state of 14 MHz.

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    $\begingroup$ In many locations, man-made noise is a factor, yes. But I asked that question from the viewpoint of hams living in quiet areas. My location is almost noise-free. There are times when my s-meter is zero even with the preamp on. Please see my comment above. This is about the signal levels dropping. $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
    Sep 3, 2017 at 14:57
  • $\begingroup$ My comment is that noise is being propagated. I believe I was clear about that. Therefore it doesn't matter where you live. $\endgroup$
    – Bob Crowley
    Dec 12, 2017 at 0:28
  • $\begingroup$ @Bob-Crowly I think that we are talking about two different things here. I fully agree that more man-made noise is being propagated. And I can sometimes hear an increase from that when I listen towards the densely-populated areas to my NE. But compared to the very large decrease in the signal levels, that increase is minimal. $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
    Dec 15, 2017 at 20:43
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Bands were down, for the first several months figured it was temporary, even though repeatedly Space Weather had no proton showers or other anomalies to explain it. Been a ham for over 50 years, never remember anything like it.

I've begun to suspect some sort of human activity is poisoning the ionosphere. Perhaps a state actor is doing it deliberately for some nefarious purpose, or the proliferation of metallic space junk is knocking out the charged particles up there by some as yet unknown mechanism, or perhaps the fluorocarbon induced ionospheric holes have hit a critical size.

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    $\begingroup$ Hi, and welcome to hamSE! Did you mean the ozone layer? Is that part of the ionosphere? Regardless, I thought the ozone layer holes had somewhat "healed" due the the laws mandating the phasing out of chlorofluorocarbons. $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
    Jan 8, 2018 at 21:36
  • $\begingroup$ Just found an interesting article on point called "Approaching ‘grand solar minimum’ could cause global cooling" wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/18/… - I very rarely hear anything on 20 Meters right now and can't wait for it to get the mojo back. $\endgroup$
    – SDsolar
    Mar 19, 2018 at 17:23
  • $\begingroup$ I fully agree that it is human activity. There are two possibilities. I have some sound scientific information that I'll share here, if I ever get the time. :-) $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
    Jul 14, 2018 at 22:43
  • $\begingroup$ This is the latest. Whoever downvoted this, please read it. :-) $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
    Sep 15, 2018 at 17:45
  • $\begingroup$ Hi @SDsolar I thought we established here that the solar minimum can only go so low? The link in my comment above mentions warming and not cooling. $\endgroup$
    – Mike Waters ♦
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Heard another possibility on the "street". The proliferation of 'space junk' may have something to do with the singularity of the recent HF propagation decline. My recollection of a recent score keeper's reports is that there are 166 million pieces of man made stuff in orbit larger than 1 mm (or is it 1 cm?) weighing of the order of 8000 tons, including 4000 satellites and pieces from 500 collisions. Could that stuff be affecting the ionosphere?

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    $\begingroup$ If anything, it would allow signals to reflect down, improving propagation. However, when you consider the percentage of sky covered up by space debris (hint: almost none, since you can't see any effects of the debris from the ground; astronomy is basically unaffected), I'd say the effect is likely to be immeasurably small. $\endgroup$
    – Jim MacKenzie VE5EV
    Oct 23, 2018 at 22:50
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A lot has to do with fewer hams out there and many that lack ability or motivation to setup antennas that work. Just something I have noticed over the years...laziness? Jim

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    $\begingroup$ I am not convinced that the numbers back this up $\endgroup$
    – Scott Earle ♦
    Aug 21, 2018 at 6:58

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