I have built a simple ground plane antenna for 70cm with a connector, 4 radials, and one vertical element.

The RF ground is connected to the radials, and the RF is connected to the vertical.

It got me thinking, can the actual earth be used, because AM towers use it? IF I went outside, connected one end to a deep ground rod, and the other end to the vertical element, would the radiation be the same?

Is using the earth as an RF ground frequency specific, for example, don't use it above 30MHz?


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AM broadcast stations do not use the Earth as ground for the antenna. To the contrary, they go through great expense laying huge radial fields precisely to avoid ground currents in the Earth. See these pictures of WTMJ on qsl.net. Here's one of them:

tower base with radials

If you look closely, there is a copper mesh all around the antenna base. Around the base perimeter, there is a wide copper strap. You can't see the radials directly in this picture, but there are a lot of them: typically 120. They are attached to the copper strap around the perimeter. You can see a couple empty spools on which the radial wire was probably delivered (and by my estimation, there are many more such spools not in this picture).

Broadcast stations don't want antenna currents in the ground because the ground is not a great conductor. Resistive and magnetic losses in the ground would divert a significant fraction of electrical energy into warming the ground, but that energy would better be spent radiating a signal. When broadcasting at tens or hundreds of kilowatts, the associated currents can be quite huge, and the losses can get really big, really fast according to Joule's law: $P = I^2 R$.

An AM broadcast station will also have ground rods, but these are not for the operation of the antenna, and under normal operating conditions carry only negligible, ideally zero current. Their purpose is lightning protection.

You can operate a vertical antenna without radials, and it is sometimes expedient to do so. It is however quite inefficient. Keep your radials, or use an antenna such as a dipole or loop which does not require a ground plane to operate.


Be aware that connecting your antenna to a good solid earth, and then connecting your radio gear to that antenna, and to the mains electricity supply can be a hazard in the event of a mains electrical fault.

Some properties in some parts of the world are wired using a 'protective multiple earth' (PME) system, and bringing a 'real' earth into the shack can provide a hazard if there is a mains electrical fault. (Basically, if the neutral wire becomes loose and there is a live-to-chassis type of short, then full mains current would flow through your antenna cable. Not likely to happen, but potentially very dangerous if it did. What WERE they thinking?!? My old house in the UK used to be wired like this until I rewired it myself.)

Check out this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system and find out (really find out) how your property is wired, before bringing an earth into your shack.

I gather from your user profile that you are in the US, and I don't know if PME has ever been common practice in the US - but where safety is involved I would always recommend checking first.

  • $\begingroup$ Shack equipment is typically grounded to "real ground" - not the third prong of the wall outlet. While plausible, the scenario in the answer is not likely to occur. $\endgroup$ May 27, 2014 at 12:57
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    $\begingroup$ Agreed. Not at all likely. But it was worth mentioning, just in case. Also, "is typically" does not mean "is always" ... $\endgroup$
    – Scott Earle
    May 27, 2014 at 13:53
  • $\begingroup$ I am running everything off of 12 volts anyway, and my Power transformer I built from 120 to 12, as well as the casing of the power supply has no potential to 3rd prong or neutral. I like to keep my stuff isolated $\endgroup$
    – Skyler 440
    May 27, 2014 at 14:07
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    $\begingroup$ Wouldn't the circuit breaker trip in this scenario where the neutral is loose and there is a live-to-chassis fault? At least where I live in the US, Earth grounds are required, and exactly so that when this fault occurs, the circuit breaker pops. This is better than the alternative: nothing happens until someone touches the chassis, at which point they complete the circuit and the full current flows through them. $\endgroup$ May 29, 2014 at 0:13
  • $\begingroup$ I agree completely - the whole PME thing is potentially lethal in my opinion, especially when you might want to bring a 'real' earth in from outside. In the UK where I used to live, however, it was commonplace in new houses. $\endgroup$
    – Scott Earle
    May 29, 2014 at 2:16

I have built a simple ground plane antenna for 70cm with a connector, 4 radials, and one vertical element. The RF ground is connected to the radials, and the RF is connected to the vertical. ... IF I went outside, connected one end to a deep ground rod, and the other end to the vertical element, would the radiation be the same?

Both conductors of a transmission line convey equal amounts of r-f energy, just 180° out of phase with each other. One conductor of the transmission line may have a conducting path to Earth ground at/near a transmitter, but that does not negate its ability to pass r-f energy between that transmitter and its load (antenna).

» An "r-f ground" does not exist at the distant end of a conductor having its near end connected to a buried, vertical ground rod. «

Probably the antenna system described in the OP already has a physical path connecting one conductor of its 2-conductor transmission line to some form of a nearby "ground" reference, such as the buried ground rod of the a-c service lines entering the building, and powering the transmitter.

Other things equal, there would be relatively little electrical difference in the performance of this antenna system if the transmission line conductor now connected to the common point of the radials of the ground plane antenna was disconnected at the antenna feedpoint, and reconnected there to a different conductor providing essentially the same function.


Yes. There's no such thing as a separation between RF and Safety ground. I highly recommend the book Grounding and Bonding for the Radio Amateur that clarified a lot of the myths and issues I was having, including this separation of the two grounds.

It makes sense to analyze a grounding system from the point of safety, RF and lightning protection but it's still one system.

For example: your ground cable could twist and bend and have no effect on safety, but reduce the lighting protection as those don't like bending.

Another example: having your ground rod at 1 meter, 10 meters or 30 meters from your house will make very little difference for the safety, but it will affect how it behaves at different frequencies (and you might want them all if you operate at many different frequencies).

I would actually say that trying to keep the safety and RF ground separate is probably dangerous, because both grounds will end up acting as both things and most likely your RF ground might not be safe enough (it might not have wire that is thick enough to dissipate a discharge for example).


Properly grounding an antenna using a ground rod deep into the earth will provide a much better ground than the radials (aka ground planes.)

The radials act as a pseudo ground and provide other advantages as well. By bringing the ground higher up will help project the signal further distances and simultaneously help with sporadic RF interference with neighbouring electronics. Depending upon the location of the antenna it will also provide resistance for lightning strikes.

  • $\begingroup$ I think the OP meant to replace the radials with just "earth ground". Your answer does provide the correct way to do it, ground the radials. $\endgroup$ May 27, 2014 at 13:05
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    $\begingroup$ Saying that radials are a "pseudo" ground, and saying that a ground rod is "better" but not qualifying that with better at what is misleading, at best. $\endgroup$ May 29, 2014 at 0:00
  • $\begingroup$ Ground planes provide benefits of a ground, but are not a true ground. RF transmissions will reflect off the ground plane at the base of antenna, which helps with spurious emissions, but does not serve as a true ground. Having been a CB operator for years, I can attest to both. Having ground planes using a 500W kicker, you hear your voice on your TV & radio (so do the neighbors), but using ground planes reduces it dramatically! Earth grounding alone does not help the interference nearly as much. I saved 2 CB radios by earth grounding my antennas, and previously lost 2 from lightning strikes. $\endgroup$
    – Warren Rox
    Jul 24, 2020 at 4:54

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