I have just changed from a ground mounted Vertical antenna , to a MFJ-1796 Vertical antenna, due to not having big enough ground to bury as many verticals as recommended. So far what I have found is on FT8 the incoming signals are from the US as well as Western Europe … ie Spain , France , Italy etc., yet they never respond to my coming back to them. Since FT8 is low power usage , its not like the stations in Europe are using amps , so what gives ? One way propagation???

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    $\begingroup$ Hi! Could you clarify what do you mean when you say that FT8 is low power mode? Maybe you are only hearing the transmissions that are sent with high power and you hear only FT8 because it needs lower signal to noise ratio. $\endgroup$
    – OH2FXN
    Commented Aug 29, 2019 at 17:44
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    $\begingroup$ Welcome to ham.stackexchange.com! $\endgroup$
    – rclocher3
    Commented Aug 29, 2019 at 18:36
  • $\begingroup$ Did you mean "bury as many radials..."? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 29, 2019 at 22:19
  • $\begingroup$ At least some people definitely do use amps on FT8. Just because the path could support communication without an amp doesn't mean some people won't turn it on anyway to overpower everyone else. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 31, 2019 at 1:46

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First: do you know about pskreporter? You're definitely getting heard, including one spot on 40m from New Zealand. Sometimes FT8 takes some patience, and it seems like no one wants to come back to you for long periods of time, but pskreporter can at least provide some reassurance that your equipment and the ionosphere are actually in working order.

That said, your antenna is dreadfully short. It's a multi-band "half-wave" vertical that's about 12 feet (4m) long. That's about 20% the length of a real half-wave for 40m, and 30% the length of a reasonable 4-band vertical (if you could imagine stacking two 4BTVs end-to-end to make a half wave and eliminate the need for radials, the contraption would be 43 feet tall). So it's not as efficient as it could be.

Assuming that want to stick with this antenna, you might want to try to maximize the efficiency as much as you can. Remove the 2m and 6m stubs if you don't use them. Tune meticulously for minimum SWR. Make sure that all connections are made firmly and free of oxidation. Use the best feedline you can get, and not a foot more of it than you need. Clear the space around the antenna of conductive objects as well as you can. Consider measuring the loading coils and seeing if you can wind better ones... you get the idea. Most of those changes are probably fractional-dB improvements, but enough of them can make a noticeable improvement, and sometimes small reductions in loss have a surprising impact on shortened antennas.

That said, I'd put my money on a ground-mounted vertical with "not really enough" radials still being a better performer than a 1796.

  • $\begingroup$ A few elevated radials (as few as two or three per band) beat many ground-mounted radials! $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 29, 2019 at 22:25
  • $\begingroup$ And, as MFJ claims there, traps are not lossy! $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 29, 2019 at 22:38
  • $\begingroup$ I was NOT aware of the pskreporter but I am now! Thank you so much. I am absolutely getting out, but still am yet actually get a full contact on ft8 over the pond. I am trying to learn more about the ft8 software because I am apparently doing something wrong. I just need to figure it out! Thanks again $\endgroup$
    – N3JPL
    Commented Sep 5, 2019 at 0:35

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