Lets say I want to make a VLF loop antenna for a Sub AM radio band. I don't want a full wavelength because that would be a humongous antenna. Would I wind more turns of wire to decrease the frequency it can operate on, or is there any other way without a phisically enormous loop?


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There are plenty of ways to make antennas smaller. Unfortunately, all of these things also make the antenna less efficient. Economics provides a compelling proof: if efficient, small, low-frequency antennas could be realized, why do AM broadcast stations erect huge, expensive towers to support their enormous antennas?

AM broadcast antenna

Antenna inefficiency isn't necessarily a problem for receiving, as long as the received power is enough to overcome your receiver's noise floor. See What is the relationship between SWR and receive performance?

For transmitting, an inefficient antenna can still work, but it's much more difficult to come up extra transmitter power, and find a way to handle all that heat. A longer wire is usually cheaper than a 10kW amplifier.

To your specific case: the type of antenna you are describing is a small loop antenna. These antennas are not resonant, by definition. When resonant operation is desired, a capacitor is added at the feedpoint to create an LC resonant circuit which greatly increases sensitivity at the resonant frequency, and greatly decreases bandwidth. Since the small loop is an inductor, adding more turns increases the inductance, and thus lowers the resonant frequency if the capacitor is not changed. Increasing the permeability of the material inside the loop also increases the inductance.

If you think a lot of turns around some high permeability core is a good idea, you have conceived a loopstick antenna:

loopstick antenna

However, such an antenna will not work well for transmitting. The ferrite will saturate at very low transmit powers, and the ohmic losses of the many turns of wire at any reasonable transmit power will make it a better heater than an antenna.

  • $\begingroup$ Maybe I'll use railroad tracks for a HUGE antenna! $\endgroup$
    – Skyler 440
    Jan 6, 2014 at 17:19
  • $\begingroup$ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_dipole $\endgroup$ Jan 6, 2014 at 17:53
  • $\begingroup$ @Skyler440 I believe you're too late; IIRC someone already thought of using those for transmitting data! $\endgroup$
    – user
    Jan 6, 2014 at 20:48
  • $\begingroup$ Yeah, the railroad operators...position and signalling information, at least used to be, sent along the rails. $\endgroup$
    – WPrecht
    Jan 6, 2014 at 21:22

If you're going to be using this antenna strictly for reception, then increasing the windings is fine, but as the previous answer stated you're on increasing inductance, and when you increase inductance, you are by nature adding more radiation resistance. So, for transmitting that is not ideal at the wavelengths of VLF. These are small loops and can only radiate a small amount of the power from the transmitter. So increasing the windings will get you properly tuned for reception (i.e. the small magnetic loop in AM radios), but not very effective for transmitting.

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    $\begingroup$ More radiation resistance would be a good thing, were it not accompanied with a similar increase in copper resistance. When the radiation resistance is the only significant resistance or other loss, the antenna is efficient. $\endgroup$ Jan 7, 2014 at 1:10
  • $\begingroup$ That's right. I just meant that it is not an ideal situation for effective transmitting. It might be good for tuning/making the antenna resonant, but it would not provide adequate transmission power to the antenna. $\endgroup$
    – cj5
    Jan 7, 2014 at 15:15

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