# One dipole for multiple bands?

I've just get my license, and I'm reviewing some equipend my father in law had when he passed away.

I have found a dipole antenna with 15m aprox in each side, so, 60m band antenna. It feels weird to have an antenna for that band and not for 20 o 40 or 80.

My questions is: Can I use this antenna for some other band? If it's posible. Is there some rule to use dipoles in other bands.

I don't have an anntenna analyzer to watch for dips in swr.

My (naive) hypothesis is that it could be used for bands like 10m, it being 3/2λ of that band.

EDIT: I just find out that the antanna I have is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G5RV_antenna

Thank you

• As mentioned in the Wikipedia article, the G5RV antenna can be used (with a tuner) on the ham bands 80m to 10m. I used to have one of these in the 1990s in the UK. I found it to be a lovely antenna and literally worked the world with it and a 100W and a 150W transmitter. – Scott Earle Jun 1 '18 at 3:50
• If you can get your hands on an antenna analyzer, even temporarily, and don't mind destructively modifying the antenna, you could build a trap dipole: vu2ppp.com/_multi-band_trap_dipole_antenna. – Amin Shah Gilani Jul 1 '19 at 8:53

I wrote an article about the G5RV --and variants thereof-- at http://www.w0btu.com/g5rv_antenna.html.

A popular variant is the ZS6BKW.

• Neither the G5RV nor the ZS6BKW antenna works on 30 or 60 meters.
• The G5RV does NOT work well on 17 or 10 meters. The SWR is a little better on 80 than the ZS6BKW.
• The ZS6BKW does NOT work well on 15 meters, and needs a tuner to work well on 80.

I improved on the general design, but it requires:

1. 75 ohm feedline, which many hams are somehow reluctant to use
2. A switchable (in and out) section of ladder line.

Our modification to the G5RV and ZS6BKW antennas, while also somewhat of a compromise of frequency ranges and VSWR, lets us use all HF bands between 80 and 10 except 30 and 60* meters. (Details on the website above.)

It depends on what bands you want to work. Choose your poison. ;-)

If this is indeed a 60m dipole, it would be resonant somewhere around 5.35 MHz. Three times that is approximately 16 MHz, which unfortunately doesn't fall on a ham band.

However it might not be a 60m dipole either. A 60m dipole has a length of about 13.25 meters on each half.

Or it might be that where the antenna was installed, proximity to the ground, other conductive structures, or common-mode currents on the feedline significantly altered the resonant frequency from the ideal free-space model.

I would suggest you acquire an antenna tuner if you don't have one. You can probably get the dipole to tune on most bands with it, and while this won't be the most efficient arrangement, with less than 100 feet of reasonable LMR-400 type coax you'll still be able to make some contacts and get your feet wet. The most important thing is to get the antenna as high as possible, at least a quarter wavelength.

The tuner will also have an SWR meter, which will allow you to adjust the length of the antenna to be a better match and thus more efficient, or build more dipoles, or multi-band designs like a fan dipole.

Put ladder line on the system and feed it all the way to a balanced tuner or 1:1 current balun (or 4:1?). Put it high as a kite broadside it to the places you want to talk most on higher bands. You'll be surprised what you can do.

• Absolutely! Best antenna I ever had for 80-10m. It will have nulls and lobes on the higher bands, but you can never tell just who is listening on one of those higher gain lobes. And welcome to hamSE! We look forward to your further participation here, Michael!! – Mike Waters Jun 30 '19 at 23:07

You can use it for receiving on any band, of course.

Generally, antennas may work on third harmonics. For example, 2m and 70cm are close third harmonics.

Sometimes they work on second harmonics (i.e., 10m and 20m), especially dipoles.

So your 60m antenna may work on 30m and 15m.

If you have an antenna tuner (or one is built into the radio), you might be able to operate it all band, but you may have high SWR and common mode current in the feedline. High SWR without a tuner can damage the radio; high SWR with a tuner will incur large losses in the feedline, but might work anyway. Common mode current can be partially suppressed at low power with a balun, sometimes built into the antenna. The danger of common mode current (besides typically higher SWR) is RF radiated directly from the coax, possibly in the shack and on the chassis of the radio. (Watch out for RF burns.)

Also, you could create a fan dipole to get additional bands.

If you don't have an antenna analyzer, you should at least have an SWR meter built into the radio. You can operate on a mismatched antenna at low power (1w or less preferably, up to 5w maybe) without damaging the radio. (High SWR may make the radio arc internally short term and overheat long term.) Most radios have a TUNE button for this purpose. Check the manual on your radio to be sure what power it uses. If you don't have a tune button, you can use a CW key and put out a test pulse. Start at the lowest possible power and watch the SWR meter, and raise it slowly to make sure the SWR doesn't increase when you put out more power. Remember, the SWR the radio sees may be lower than the real SWR because of loss in the transmission line. An SWR below 1.5 is typically considered good with negligible loss. Most solid state radios can tolerate an swr of 2 or lower. Most tube radios can tolerate an swr of 10 at 100W. Tuners may also be able to take swr of 10, but may arc internally at higher swr or higher power depending on the tuner.

• Common mode current has nothing to do with the resonance of a dipole. And common mode current does not necessarily translate to higher SWR - it can in fact reduce SWR. – Glenn W9IQ May 28 '18 at 12:26
• An antenna operated on its second harmonic will present a high impedance to the feedline, and thus high VSWR and losses. – Mike Waters May 28 '18 at 13:50
• Non-resonant antennas have a higher chance of common mode current, but you're right, that's nearly coincidental. When there is common mode current, essentially the coax becomes part of the antenna. This could cause the antenna to detune (raising SWR) or in some situations, bring it into resonance. For example, the Carolina Windom is designed specifically to use part of the coax for 10m, using a balun to partition off that piece of coax to make it resonant. – user10489 May 28 '18 at 14:21
• If you wish to improve your rating, you should edit your answer to be factual. This is encouraged on this site. Corrections via comments is not sufficient. – Glenn W9IQ May 28 '18 at 15:19